Well I’ve counted up the comment results for Mac Lover’s Week. I thought I’d share the results.
Total Votes
- Mac – 60
- PC – 39
- Linux – 2
What I Use
I grew up PC my whole life, but I started a job that provided me with a Mac Pro so I converted. I will say this though, I spend the vast majority of my professional time in Windows via bootcamp simply because I think editing in Sony Vegas is faster then any other program I’ve ever used… and yes, that means Avid, FCP, and Premiere. Just my valuable opinion, haha.
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Each is best in its own way….
Why this fighting post adam??
Greg…..I don’t even know what to say. Vegas isn’t just for editing home movies moron….and almost 100% of people that have said that I’ve found out really know nothing about it. Nightline, CSN, many contributors to both the Food Network as well as Discovery use it….in addition to countless independant film producers.
See….Avid used to be the standard…..because it was really the only option. It isn’t the standard any longer. Nothing in either Premiere or Avid is as intuitive or easily accomplished as it is in Vegas….and nothing you can do in either of those programs can’t be accomplished in Vegas.
As Adam pointed out in the top of this thread….he uses it and he has experience with both of these.
….and your comment about FCP shows you know nothing…but I think most people figured that out pretty quickly. I’ve only got limited experience with it but it is easy to see why it is THE standard in the video industry.
Vegas is lame ok. I’ve used it and found it’s interface quite lacking.
I’m on Avid and Premiere. I also have a full FCP bay at my disposal. However, to say that I know nothing is quite naive. I don’t care if you like it.. that’s good for you, but when some tools just don’t cut the cheese like they are supposed to I don’t want to use them in my workflow. Considering I cut spots and packages daily, I don’t need FCP screwing things up. FCP is HORRIBLE at media management and is horrible at color correction. Even die hard FCP kids will tell you that.
As far as accomplishing the same things in Vegas, sure I’m positive it can be done, but in my experiences it’s much slower at achieving those results vs Premiere or Avid. If Vegas was so awesome, every production house would have already switched over to it because of it’s much cheaper price point. Why would a pro house spend money on Avids or FCP’s when Vegas is cheaper and can do the same things? Really why? Please enlighten me to that one.
To say that FCP is the standard in the video industry show that YOU are the one who knows nothing. Let me explain how things work.. other than a handful of major outlets that switched to FCP, FCP dominates the freelance and indie markets, while Avid dominates the high end, film and television markets. You need to know both to get anywhere in this profession, undoubtedly, but, FCP is far from the standard in the video industry. FCP has to do a whole lot to ever get to where Avid is. Mainly it’s handling of media and it’s color correction as I’ve already mentioned. The only reason that BBC and Weather Channel switched to an all FCP suite, is because at the time it was the cheapest way to do HD. Now that Avid has dropped it’s price point a bit and quit fooling around with XpressPro, and focused on Media Composer, houses are still going to rely on Avid for broadcast applications.
Plus, if you want a real DTA solution, tell me how great FCP works at that. Avid owns anything else on the market when it comes to DTA.
So spare me the whole “you don’t know what you are talking about” crap unless you actually know what YOU are talking about. I work in the industry daily and use all the tools available to me daily and nothing in those experiences lead me to think that FCP or Vegas is better than Premiere or Avid..and they most certainly don’t lead me to believe that FCP is the “standard in the video industry”.
NO NO NO! PC’s all the way baby!
Mac’s never have an argument with you and you never threaten to throw it out the window, it’s like a machine. I need more personality in my stuff.
Waiting for the Max VS Maya debate…..but then again…..max already rules.
And yes PC ftw.
You can have your Fisher Price toys.
Max and Maya are made by the same company. Autodesk even markets them to different markets. Max for gaming use and Maya for film use.
Maya is owned by Autodesk NOW…hasn’t always been that way…..I’ve been in VFX for over 10 years. Autodesk(I remember when they were Discreet) is buying up everything they can.
Ford,Chevy etc makes different models too…..and some are good and some are bad.
saying that max and Maya are owned by the same company makes no valid point whatsoever.
And max has is used films too! duh!
You have a very limited ‘tunnel vision’ way of looking at things.
My post above was really just a joke anyway!
and yes, MAC’s totally suck …and here’s a few reasons for boycott:
(sarcasm time again)
Quicktime software…..anything but quick!
Their monitors cost like 1500 bucks!
Itunes! Could that suck any harder?????
etc
One fact still remains. Macs ARE expensive. You can get a powerhouse machine in a windows computer for far less than a mac. Go and sell that same computer a year later though and you won’t get anyway near what you originally put in to it.
A mac is simply a great investment- yes the price is high, but as far as value goes a mac will hold its value for years. You can look on ebay now and even find a first gen macbook pro for at least a grand.
Oh my – this thread is like world war 3 – and in war people do and say really stuppid things!
My clients never forced me to any OS to do my work.
I mostly agree in one fact: Final Cut Pro AND Avid should really cover in fear when it comes to editing with speed and multiple kind of Media and Codecs without the hassle.
Apple is an arrogant company that takes too much care of it’s consumer products than on their Pro Apps users.
They even do copy and paste the same bugs from one version to another.
third, Apples mystery-mongering way on Information on Hard- and Software releases is extremely counterproductive for planning your acuisitions.
Any software company who shows respect to it’s loyal customers will do give away beta software, just to have the ability testing the major version and making it much more stable and bug free prior to the final release.
Apple never did that and that’s why i don’t like this company because i cannot rely on their releases.
But i love the fact that the community network grew that large and we can stand united against any company that is ignoring users worldwide.
Yes, I agree with you. These days Apple is more focused on consumer products than Pro Apps. The best example is the clunky UI and enormous bugs in the Final Cut Studio. But, it is the Pro-users that stuck with Apple even through their worse period. Also, I feel that the Innovation of Mac OS X is very slow paced lately compared to few years ago when Apple aggressively developed Mac OS X by incorporating many ground breaking technologies like Core Image, Core Animation etc.,
Agreed. Vegas is a very solid editing platform, it is so seamless I always find myself wondering why I am using Premiere!
Its all personal opinion/experience. I’m useing both a 4 year old PC with XP and a 1 year old iMac. I’ve had to reformat the Pc once in that time and the amount of data and work lost compared to the countless times my Mac has crashed is as an Ant to an elephant.
My pc just works well with everything while my Mac does what it wants and if you get something done in that time then you deserve a pat on the back.
Wow – okay – here is my experience with Mac and PC:
First the price:
Mac doubles or tripples the price for this new Intel supported kind of PC.
It is only a expensive PC with another OS.
The OS:
Mac got OSX and Windows. But i have never seen OSX on PC. Maybe i`m wrong but i think this point goes for Mac.
The speed:
This point clearly to PC. I`ve custom made my PC and get way better Benchmark Results as the nearly same customized Mac.
The reliability:
Depends on what you want. Mac is really reliable with their drivers. You can plug any old/new printer or other supporting hardware into the Mac and it is done. PC can`t get this point because they supporting not the stable market but the fast on going market. Which gots other benefits. The OSX is stable on Video Editing with Final Cut etc. but it isn`t stable in Adobe Suit. Like the PC! And even the Autodesk Products aren`t stable on both. I can`t see the different. PC got other problems than Mac but you can`t tell which is better.
Security:
Because the most users on this planet are PC User, there are really much more virus in the web to attack especially the PC User. Macs are really secure here.
My opinion:
In my company i must see which Desktop should configured how. Compability, relaiblity, security and software needs are the main points for me. Than of course the speed and the price. In this order.
I have made a compromiss. The video editing place with Final Cut got an Apple. It runs fine and fast. Two of three 3d workplaces are 64bit XP custom made PCs. They run stable and fast on this OS. One got an 32bit system `caused of the effect palette that is only availble for 32 bit systems.
The 2D Systems for the Adobe Family are Macs. They`ve got every driver, don`t need to be updated every time and are fast enough for this kind of work. There are errors on all systems. Wheter PC or Mac are stable enough to call them winner. The errors are rare on my systems but they are still there. Oh yes – i`ve forgot.
My opinion is: “look what your needs are and buy it, the topology of needs are different from user to user – you shouldn`t be under any dogma in this topic.”
The most sensible comment I’ve read on this whole “debate”
And yes there is another thing i must say:
(glad it was free). The flash disability cause someone sayed: “I didn`t like flash”. And then there is the 100 bucks service upgrade that gives me the iPhone user the option to sell it to another person. I live in the EU and i`ve got that right no matter what they say. This is the worst service i can imagine. But this is only MY opinion what service is. The repair service is faster the PC way. There are hardwarestores for PCs in ervery town.
I think the services are on PC and Mac really bad. PC got a clearly disadvantage because they`ve got much more different hardware. BUT!!! The apple service is best seen on the new iphone. They want to sell normal things, like the “new” camera with video function. Or the MMS update 2009. Welcome in the future
fin
I use a 17″ MacBook Pro as my main workhorse computer. I have used Windows and Linux extensively for design and editing, and I am definitely in the position to say this is the only reason that I use a Mac over anything else:
O S X
Can’t beat it. Where else is there native PDF support built into the OS? People at work are coming to me all the time to add, remove, and change PDF files, and I do it with a built-in piece of software!
Yes, they are more expensive, but contrary to what people say, they last a lot longer. There are a few G4′s and G5′s in my office that still perform like legends for DTP and web design.
Buy a 17″ PC laptop that has a multitouch trackpad, webcam, FW 400/800, backlit keyboard, E34 card, high-res display, 8 hour battery life, and then the Windows equivalent in software of iLife and OS X, and the Apple option actually seems to be a viable alternative.
Not to mention they look amazing!
i use both. And they are both as reliable as the other one.
I like the memory management of the mac, I hate the finder file system. it’s counter intuitive.
the pc just plain works. windows 7 works and file management is a breeze.
In a business environment, it depends on your activity. For the longest time we believed that Mac wasn’t ready for it, lately with the latest OS X, we changed our mind… you know why ? … because it can run Windows virtual machines pretty fast and stable.
The best of two worlds !
Jim Heinz,
Reading thru this post, I notice you interject your opinion as if it’s some kind of fact. I am 35. So the whole “you are too young to know” bullsheet is out the window with me pal. Coming from using AND building PC’s till today, and owning 5 macs in our company, hands down Macs win. Sorry. You can try to pose the whole well, you get more for your money with PC’s and maybe I will bite slightly. Heres the real deal, to build a PC you MUST do research on your Motherboard, your ram, your cards, your drives etc, to see if any of those have a conflict or a known issue. Not to mention build it like legos and install ALL the drivers and PRAY everything works right. Then dealing with DLL files and nonsense… No one factors in that time… Looking for a power supply that wont sound like a 747 and won’t burn your house down or crap out…. These are all woes one goes thru building a PC. A mac you don’t have these problems yes you pay more, yes maybe a lot of it is on a brand name and a design. But isn’t that what BRANDING is about? lol. helllo we are on a TUTS site. I think the backbone of these sites are about BRANDING… Apple makes a hell of a product and brands it even better, their service is PAR NONE if you got apple care, try getting some service on your crappy built PC.. Bahaha.
People think if you buy ALL the parts of a Ferrari and assemble it in your garage somehow you will have a Ferrari that is worth more cause it cost less to build. Uh no you will have a self built, Frankenstein monster, that has no care warranty or master, except you. For the people who can afford piece of mind go with a Mac.
While PC’s may render faster in AE what you have to trade off for it in terms of crashing, registry blips and blue screens of death I will gladly pay more to not have that headache. Some of us actually make money from UP time…. I have a PC sitting here amongst an I mac 24 inch, a new mac book pro, a G 5 and a G4 laptop (that is still going for 8 years without so much as a hiccup) The PC I dare would never put that OS they call Vista on the machine, So we run XP with SP2. It still is to date the most reliable OS on Windows. and its HOW OLD? wow.. so much for forward thinking Microsoft. Let’s not even go into being a web designer and the MESS Microsoft caused with the release of IE6…. that I still have nightmares over.
Leaving you with this 1 idea, the comparable between OLD OSX vs OLD windows is a funny one. I don’t know if you ever used OS 9 for mac, but it was pretty solid in terms of reliability. A little awkward to get around but still very solid. Let’s think now, we had… 95… 98. wow we had the ME version hahah that was some sort of aprils fool joke from microsoft. If you even so much as downloaded ME and installed it on a machine you would be found close to an open window contemplating suicide….. Then you had XP which had its own set of issues unil SP2 came about like 4 years later.
Lets face it, while mac is using Intel chips and “generic” parts, it IS tested in a closed environment, for their parts to work TOGETHER. compare that with Mr. Heinz Living room testing.. sorry bud. I will take my chances with a multi billion dollar branded giant, than with someones garage dust settling in my machine. I built too many in my lifetime to know that just cause you BUILT it don’t mean its going to work good and def don’t mean there’s not a ton of tweaking / overclocking one has to do to get the machine to be any where near as stable as a mac out of the box.
Couldn’t agree more!
I’m 50 – I was using computers before you crapped your first diaper. I used os 7 . Windows 3. Pong.
I have a Pismo Powerbook – cost me $6k fully loaded in 1998. First machine with firewire. Still have it. Works like a champ. My son uses it now for internet and school work. All of my other macs are obsolete. Except for the dual G5 but it’s close. I gave it to my wife who uses it with Photoshop CS1 and Painter for her illustration buisness. Editing on it is not that pleasant. One time I updated Quicktime to 7. (something) and it hosed my whole system. An Apple app hosed another Apple app both of which depend on each other. That is just one example. I had to replace the micro processors twice. Luckily the first time it was under warranty. The Power supply needed to be replaced. I upgraded with a Mac approved video card so that Motion wouldn’t hang on particle parameter increases and the card burned up in less than a week.
When I gave that to her I bought an off the shelf Dell for $1400. It has a quad core intell i7 3.07mHz – 12 gigs of ram – 750 gig sata2 – ati radeon 4850 512MB Blue Ray read write DVD drive – Vista 64 bit with free upgrade to windows 7 and it came with 21″ lcd display. One year parts and labor on site repair. The only thing I’ve done to insure it’s proper functioning is to immediately wipe the drive clean and reinstall the os in order to rid it of all the bloatware that all box makers install on their systems at the factory. I don’t think I’ve turned it off in 2 months. Is it the machine of my dreams? No. But spec that out at the Apple store. Does it get the job done in the apps that are important to me? Yes.
My point? They are machines. The obsequious, blind loyalty to brand that mac fanatics are guilty of is the reason Paris Hilton and American Idol and Disney World exist. Grow a ball or two and quit leeching off the popurlar kids.
This post is utter flamebait. Christopher, quit posting utter outrageous crap and grow a pair.
I’ve had more problems dealing with .so files than with .dll files. I haven’t had a Windows machine crash on me in over a DECADE, compared to about 5 hours ago on my Mac (running Leopard still).
There is zero, hear it ZERO difference between the hardware in a Mac and hardware in a normal computer. If you say the EFI chip, those are also starting to be integrated onto motherboards. Slowly, but they are being added.
As for the “Tested in a closed environment”, that’s utter BS. Apple contracts hardware manufacturers for the lowest price and request the information needed to write a driver for it. There is next to no testing for compatibility of all the parts. The amount of time used in testing is equal or less than the amount of time Dell puts into testing their computers for compatibility.
Also, Ram is Ram is Ram is Ram. If it’s DDR3, it’ll work on a DDR3 motherboard. If it’s an LGA 775 socket processor, there’s a very low chance of it failing on another LGA 775 motherboard. The only reason it would fail is because of higher model revisions or power requirements, both of which are incredibly rare. Plus, I’ve never heard of someone installing a graphics card and causing their entire computer to fail.
I’ve been a System’s Administrator for 5 years and an IT Technician for a total of 6 years now. I witnessed the height of Novell NetWare, and its subsequent decline. For all I care, I have more qualifications than others.
All I care about is the OS. For me the Mac OS is much more intuitive and well designed, as well as aesthetically pleasing. With Vista Microsoft definitely increased the beauty of the whole thing, but they still did a shoddy job of making things work in an intuitive and user friendly manner.
I don’t really care about the hardware of either machine, I just use an external hard drive with an installation of Mac OSX that I can boot up on either a Mac or a PC
I prefer PC over MAC. Because of the wide range of supported software. And with windows 7, it’s really good!
i would like to hear how people compare macbooks to notebooks? Comparing desktop pcs to macbooks is like comparing apples with oranges!?
you comments are all biased and unjustified bullshit with vague generalizations and stupid non-facts.
Both os do different things better and other things worse.
by limiting yourself to one that is all you are doing, limiting yourself!
grow up!
YEAYA.. Mac’s are way more trusted in company’s…. 4 days till snow leopard comes out. Windows are done for…. Look’s like their going to have to find the doors this time.. XP
I wouldn’t trust a Mac as far as I could throw one. The same goes with a computer running Windows or Linux.
I don’t trust computers. I trust myself to make the computer do what I want. The platform doesn’t make a difference.
I dont think there is much of a difference, other than the components under the hood. What gets me is the Mac ignorance, most designers usually have. We are all into advertising here, so should understand that Mac have one of the best advertising campaigns in the history of business, it literally saved the life of the OSX platform.
PC’s, Mac’s, it dont really matter, just dont you mac people think you are better than us PC users, its all propaganda. When I get enough money I would love to by a Mac but only coz they are super sexy and nothing else, well in my opinion anyway.
Mac vs. PC
is it about hardware vs. hardware
or OS vs. OS
if it is about OS then the ultimate truth is
“EVERY OS SUCKS”
+1 although i like the current gen of os, there isnt one out there that doesnt get in the way of what i want it to do and ultimately that’s the problem for me. When they become so organic that they feel like extensions of my body then i will be happy…..well as they are stable.
peace
brian
Mac are much better and easier to manage on a network. Having 300 odd Windows workstations it does actually cost more in long term to run than Macs on XServe. Although Xserve has many features missing in comparison to Server 08, it’s always easier to put new Macs in since they just copy the image file directly from Xserve automatically.
The workflow on a Mac is also much better to work with in office if you’re using FCP, since everything is available or can be made available in a click. When you’re comparing Macs to Pcs, you can’t compare hardware, because at the end of the day, you can have same specs Mac/Pcs and Pcs will be cheaper.
The synergy of Mac, OS X and it’s ability to work with other Macs and to export files for one of the IFFFS softwares to process where some are running Linux but on a Mac, is just brilliant. That beats PCs by a mile
You know what I haven’t had in a while?
Big League Chew.
Dude next time the icecream man stops by you should flag him down… Bring 2 bux though… this recession hits in the placces where it really hurts
This is crazy. People take it so personal. I have used them all, and now that windows 7 is out I get the best of both. I can use all of my old software on a stable, fast and reliable OS. I am not speaking the Gospel, just my opinion. Bring on the TUTS!
That’s funny I first started editing on the early version of Vegas too. And you are right Vegas is very quick for making quick edits and fades and I am a big fan of how easy it is to use the audio envelopes.
Well, i’m a Windows and Osx user. What i can say is , in a OS point of view, Microsoft has come a long way since Vista. I’m telling you this because i’m a Windows 7 user. This new W7 is way more stable and way more efficient. I had never have a single crash or system hangup with this new W7.
As for OsX, i really love the way it looks but … somehow, i find it not so ” stable ” as before.
I’m not only talking about my own experience. We have several Macs in the office and now and then people complain and have to restart the system.
My boss has a Mac Air, and it’s very unstable … maybe because of the 1k programs he runs at the same time.
What i really like about Osx is the way apps are developed and designed. All have the “Apple thing” in them … the usability, the looks and the feeling.
But i may say, if i could run the Osx on a PC … i would not buy a Mac … the prices are high and the expansion scalability is very poor … But, you get a really nice gadget!
My two cents
Pedros,
Portugal
Can’t we all just get along?
Nick, i think this is a healthy discussion … if a constructive one . If only destructive opinions are given, then it’s worthless
Okay guys…
Ginger or Marianne?
This is a useless discussion. It’s like trying to say an organic onion is better than a regular onion. At the end of the day, you’re all just picking them out of your whopper anyway.
I prefer mac, but i’m typing this on a PC. Does that make me a traitor? I like OsX. I find it intuitive, stable and nice to look at. For everyone who claims that looks don’t matter, i bet you wouldn’t date a 500 pound chick with a great personality or by your wedding tux at Walmart. Looks matter.
When it comes down to it you can purchase a great PC or you can use buy an excellent mac.
Guess what guys there are other choices in life too!
You can shop at Nordstroms or JC Penny.
You can eat Wolfgangs or McDonalds.
You can even read a book or watch TV.
When it all comes down to it… it’s really just a porn delivery device right?
this debate is done so often and there’s never a clear result. there’s no real point in even running a poll as all it does is get the fanboys fired up. Rather than creating an open debate it turns into a playground farce of “my computer’s better than your computer”
It’s a tiresome conversation that goes back to every type of computer that’s been around…Atari vs Amiga…Sinclair Spectrum vs Commodore 64… Nintendo vs Sega etc etc
For the record I use both flavours, I prefer Mac for my job.
Been a PC user my whole life, dreaded the imac’s and the hockey puck mice we used in my highschool.
I decided to go Mac Pro once the new family came out as I was able to score a deal on the older yet just as powerful 15 inch pro. I am not poor because I have it financed… there are always ways around these price figures that seem to be major debate points between the two systems.
I use my Mac 100% of the time while running a PC on the side to Q&A as that’s what it does best.
R.I.P. IE 6…
Ok keep in mind this is a site for AE so im coming from this stand point.
Mac $2600
Do You Know u can Build a personal Super Computer For $2600
For Example
http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=14049
But anyways Macs are for people who are too primitave to deal whith problems. I wouldnt pay an extra $1000 to not have problems with my pc than just fix the problem once every once in a while. Mac heads speak about crashes and freezes like they happen every day. If that was happening to you on a pc u deserve a mac. U need to have somewhat of an idea of what you are doing if ur gonna use something. Any PC i’ve had has probaly crashed once or twice. And I’m on vista!!!, to all those downing vista my experience with it is allot better than Xp . Arguing about having to install drivers and configuring your computer WOW. Thats like a once every few months thing. We don’t install printers everyday.
The key to the upgrade problem is to futureproof your build and it will outlast any mac generation. That will only land you in the $1500- $1700 dollar range.
Not Saying I don’t like macs. If some one were to buy me one i would definitely use it to its fullest capability. (A STAND FOR MY PC) no Just kidding I would sell it for Software.
Sorry, no.
I work with IT, IN IT, and there’s a freakin’ whole team of IT professionals ready to install and upgrade software for us. Installing Vista was a nightmare of epic proportions, simply because we’ve had to format BRAND NEW MACHINES more than three times – hey, it’s faster to format the damn thing than figure out wtf is wrong with it, considering it was, oh, just installed.
Yeah, I’m bitter. I don’t fancy having to stop what I’m doing three times a day because Vista randomly farts.
I guess your pcs have indigestion!
Mines don’t so its all basically user preference based on past experiences. I haven had enough bad experiences in windows to even consider changing to a mac. I feel like i’m on a leash when I use one.
I’m quite happy that I kept to my good ol’ PC, especially with Windows 7 almost upon us!
My philosophy regarding Mac:
They’re nice to have, but a bitch to live with.
I grew up with pc systems and hacking with DOS when I was a little kid. All the windows OS’s have been great bar a few hiccups. Now I use both MAC and PC; the company I work for is waiting for windows 7 so it sucks to use XP and only have access to 3GB RAM, so I am forced to use the MAC most of the time. The apps I use are the same over both machines, MAYA, Adobe CS, a good position to compare from.
There are certain aspects of both OS’s that are good but at the end of the day they are both annoying in their own unique little way.
I find finder really idiotic. “WHY CANT YOU REMEMBER THE LAST LOCATION I SAVED TO?! WHY!?!? I HATE YOU!! DAMN IT! I hate you so much right now….” on the other hand, OS x preference system is great. The fact that the menu bar is the system bar and not attached to the app window really annoys me. MAC shortcuts are an extra key compared to Windows. Sigh, there are more irritations but I’m starting to bore myself.
At the end of the day, MAC’s, DELL’s and all those other pre-packaged systems are total rip-offs and full of sh!t as much as anything else.
Build your own. You can have TWO great computers and still take yourself on a holiday to the Maldives via private jet!
Hand-held pc’s and Google type OS’s are the next step.
I agree about editing in Sony Vegas…
I feel I should start off by explaining that I am have been, both, a hardware and software engineer for a very large hardware company for years. I have owned and built computers with everything from windows to osx to solaris and linux. I only browse TUTS because I’m on the fringe of starting some video editing as a hobby.
First off, any hardware debate between Microsoft and Apple is moot. Hardware components are from third party manufacturers and have no barring on the stability relative to an argument between Microsoft and Apple (when sampling two equal products). Many products in computer manufacturing are hit and miss. A specific processors, for instance, are not purposely made. A batch of processors is produced and then they are tested to determine stability at certain clocks.
The next argument that seems to be brought up quite often is the risk of being infected by virus. I hate to break it to you mac users, but there are viruses out there for your computers. I have even read reports from whitehat hacking forums that there is a “plague” coming for macs. This has largely been due to the elitist and fanboyish nature that many who have mac products suffer from.
The downfall of the macs will be the very reason they perform so well; Apples limitation for development of software for their machines. Many programs function so well because apple has an iron-hold on most of the software that is available for their computers. This leads to better software to OS integration with less memory leaks and potential errors. However, if an “epidemic” was to hit the macs, the limited anti-virus support would cripple most infected mac machines.
The largest difference between the windows based computers and osx based computers is the file systems and the memory handling. I have run benchmarking software and performance gains and losses between from these differences is virtually zero. Near every result was within the margin of error.
That said, all that is left is price. You can get the same software and hardware in a windows based computer for a much cheaper price tag than an apple. So there is more value in a windows based computer. However, one of the biggest drawing points for the apple computers is its ascetic appeal. If value is not a concern, but appearance is than apple would be a better suited choice.
When it boils down to it, this site is about furthering your knowledge of your passion, video editing. If this is what you do for a living, than you should use the operating system which you perform in the most efficiently. Saving an hour or two of your time every project will surely offset the higher cost of an apple if that is your preference.
So remember to keep that there are many paradigms of operating systems and that when choosing a computer you are doing just that, not making a commitment to a brand. Explore your options and don’t get blind-sided.
Personally, I typically run two computers: my custom built workstation which runs on windows 7 and my quad-core asus laptop also running windows 7. I find that works best for me. That’s not to say I don’t use osx here and there, especially for testing purposes, but I find a better value and performance with windows 7.
I think Mac OS is a very nice OS, every version of this OS has been acceptable or nice, but windows… if XP is the best version of this OS… It doesn’t look nice.
I’m a mac user, but I’ve used windows always, for 3D max or win applications and macos always has been more stable than win.
Right now I’ve got a partition with Windows 7, it looks nice, but… is only the first version of windows with nice things, it still needs more experience.
The apple computer is… only a nice PC, very estructured, nice motherboard, coolers… but it’s just a PC, very nice PC.
I like Macs because Apple was founded by hippies who took acid. Not some super-nerd who stole the whole idea of using “windows” as a GUI and had the supreme creativity to name it… Windows.
And Snow Leopard is a funny name yes, but it will be faster AND actually smaller in file size than Leopard. When you upgrade you gain like 7gb. When has Microsoft ever done that??
Hmmm, one more thing. There’s a big throw down on new SnowLeopard not supporting several software.
The problem is that SnowLeopard is now a native 64bit OS. The same happens with Windows. Some 32Bit won’t work on 64bit OS.
So, it’s all a matter of adaptation an evolution.
No, it’s not native 64-bit. It still loads a 32-bit kernel when it starts up. You can blame that on Apple jumping the gun on releasing Intel Macs (Intel Core Duo’s are 32-bit only).
Linux rules Hollywood!
http://www.linuxmovies.org/2008/fosdem.tux.with.shades.2008.pdf
theres no good offline editor for linux, linux only has good vfx and online software which makes it the best solution for compositing and the like.. smoke etc..!
for offline tho, avid is the best there is..
vegas ? hmmmm..!
The mac simply is better use of resources. not as fast as linux, but linux apps are still a long way off..
the same hardware performs better on mac and linux..!
We’re comparing different things here.
Windows is made for the mass market. That is, it’s made to be compatible with every kind of hardware under the sun (which causes the bloat and instability). It’s made for you to do anything in it – that’s what mass market means. Gaming, designing, running database serves, whatever, it’s good. It’s easier to use simply because everyone and their parrot has used it before; of COURSE it’ll be easier to use. Duh.
OSX is pretty simple to learn and it’s geared for a very specific market. Like someone else said, it’s like a Ferrari: it’s a brand. Yes, it’s a marketing ploy, it’s nothing essentially special, but it doesn’t mean it’s automatically bad, either. The machine it comes in is small, clean and freakin’ beautiful – iMacs take a lot of less space than your average PC, after all. Like someone said, it becomes a personal item, not just a tool. I may have bought mine for the “cool” factor, but I wouldn’t keep it if it didn’t meet me halfway.
I’ve a Mac and a PC at home. Yes, I’m competent enough to build my own machine, and I’ve always done it before. I am well aware that I can buy a killer machine for less than I paid on my iMac, with more RAM, more processing power, more everything. I bought it ’cause I wanted to. I’d never used a Mac before, so, why not? It’s not like I’m doing any hardware-intensive work, anyway. It was expensive, but I had the money. I find the performance of my iMac slightly better than that of an equivalent (hardware-wise) PC, but not enough to turn me off them. I’ll probably keep with the Mac simply because I like it better, it works for me, not because it’s somehow “better” than any other hardware available. Much I like Honda better than Ford – I just do.
Plus, the damn thing does look pretty.
And I hate Vista with the fire of a thousand suns. I hope Windows 7 is better…
I run Windows because I like to custom-build my machines. It saves a ton over buying pre-built, especially from Apple.
I might eventually try to get a Hackintosh up and running. It’s too bad Apple won’t let anyone else install their OS on what is functionally the same hardware without breaking the EULA.
Other than that, I’d probably run Linux full-time, if only Adobe would support it. It’s got the security of a Mac with better customization than either OS X or Windows. And system-wide package managers are a rockin’ way to install/uninstall software.
My issue with Mac is purely price and tech based and how they treat the customer with that. They make fantastic products, but Apple seems to take way too long to adopt new hardware and the shoehorn their customers into paying twice as much for half the power. I built a PC for under $1k that was twice as fast as a $2500 Mac tower. The virus excuse is crap too. If you were racking up viruses on a PC, you may need to look at your surfing habits. If you treat the internet like a crappy dive bar, you’re much better off.
The funny thing is how Mac users always say they have less problems yet nearly every friend I have that owns one has made multiple genius bar visits.
They actually built a marketing campaign around copy and paste on the iPhone, something that has been in smart phones for over a decade. That’s what I hate, they assume their customers are dumb and unable to learn.
Mac is so based on fanboys who worship a company?..
I dont say windows is perfect but is does what it does + i dont like working with the OSX interface it gets messy very fast. I used to work alot with Imacs and it got stuck very often. + i find windows to be more liberate towards users and costumization and towards openscource communities.
imho..
spotlight lets me find anything I need in a moment, and my mac holds it´s value way better, I can still sell it for a reasonable price 2 years after purchace. lovely.
other than the fact that I personally find the Mac GUI more comfortable to work in, I don´t care, i´m just kicking it in the CS suite anyway…
Ok this is probably the first comment to even mention Hackintosh.
I have a dual boot Windows 7 and Leopard OSX86 running on this spec:
Intel Q8200- 2.43ghz
4gb Ram- OCZ
1TB 7200rpm Hard drive
Gigabyte e31m-e2sl motherboard
Nvidea 9400GT 512mb HDMI graphics card.
Monitor- Dell 24 inch trulife monitor, with HDMI connectivity
Native resolution on both windows 7 and Osx of 1920 x 1080.
Cost me £445 for the base unit, and 180 for the monitor.
This is equal if not better than the actual Powermac, only real difference is that powermac uses Nehalem xeon processors, which if you have the money is great, its not gonna be too much either, but i thought that 2.43ghz is adequate, and the motherboard can be overclocked to 20-30% its current rate, but obviously you would need water cooling for that.
I have got Master collection on both partitions, and to be honest i get smoother and sleeker running in the Mac Os X section with most master collection applications, the ONLY application which works better in Windows 7 is definately Encore CS4, which has the endless loading colour umbrella, and it takes around 20 minutes to load 50gb 1080p footage, whereas windows 7 the dial constantly moves, and it tells you how much has been imported.
I think this type of system is the future, and Os X really already has the support for most Pc configs, and once apple decide to just release Leopard to the masses, and with driver support for every Pc, i think that where going to see a lot of dual partitioning between windows 7/vista and Leopard/Snow leopard.
This argument is not a case of the computer, its more about the operating system, and once thats freely useable on anything, then we will have a real argument, but the best bit is you can have both.
I should have read your post first, I guess I am the second person to mention hackintosh
I have a Hackintosh too. Windows 7 and Mac OSX Leopard. People on this thread need to just learn how to build custom PC and get the best of both worlds. Close Thread
hehe! mac vs pc debate
pc definately
price and performance
if you really want osx just build a hackentosh
looking forward to a real google os though!!
I work with both systems and I´m more productive in the macs than in the windows. But that´s only valid for me. Neither Apple or Microsoft pay me to tell to others which system I think is better, or faster, or anything else.
In the end of all, what really matters is the work well done in any system I have to use.
GOT ONE THING TO SAY AND THAT’S WINDOWS 7
i believe Mac is for professional and Windows Pc are for newbies and individuals hehehehehe or simply put it
Mac = professional, fanboy, rich
Pc= Newbies, Tight budget, Poor? lol:)
overall they are just the same but differs in marketing
It’s pretty obvious you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.